Are you thinking what I'm thinking?
May 5, 2005
I really, really hope Michael Howard won't be our new Prime Minister tomorrow. Why? Because I can't stand the way he pronounces the letter 'l'. Have you ever heard him talk? Have you heard him say the word people? Now I know I'm not a native speaker of English and shouldn't really criticize the pronunciation of an anglophone, but I am wondering whether I'm the only one feeling that way.
In my phonetic classes at university, I was taught that there are two ways of pronouncing /l/ in English: when this letter occurs at the beginning of a word, it's a light /l/, pronounced with the tip of the tongue just behind the top teeth, whereas if it is found in the middle or at the end of a word, it's a dark /L/, and the tip of the tongue is further back (there are exceptions, it's a general rule). When he says people, for example, Michael Howard uses a light /l/, not a dark /L/, and I find it MADDENING. He was born in Wales and educated in Cambridge, so this is not an obscure regional variation. Does anyone know where this pronunciation comes from? Am I the only one who's irritated by it? Isn't anyone else thinking the same as me? Are you thinking what I'm thinking?
Posted by céline, in Technical corner, on May 5, 2005I haven't actually heard him speak (or at least listened properly at any rate) - that's how much I pay attention to politics - but I won't waste my vote! Eenie meenie miney mo will suffice. After all, we're hardly spoilt for choice.
Posted by Me. on May 5, 2005 2:22 PMI met Michael Howard once, a very long time ago when he was a junior minister in the Thatcher government. I thought he was really strange - his pronunciation, his mannerisms, everything. He made me very uncomfortable. This didn't seem important at the time, but later, with his rise and rise... Unfortunately, I think politics attracts very strange people - it's such a strange lifestyle. Their pronunciation is the least of our worries, really, but like you I find it hard not to get irritated.
Posted by Jean on May 5, 2005 2:47 PMIt drives me bonkersm especially when he says "local people" which sounds like low-kill peepil. If you watch the League of Gentlemen you will see that the (murderous and cannibalistic) shopkeeper speaks in a very similar way.......
Posted by Rachel on May 5, 2005 4:42 PMIt's a Welsh thing -- Welsh doesn't have a dark l, so I presume the Welsh tend not to use it in English either. See this page: "l: a ‘luh’ as in ‘lava’, but never an ‘ul’ sound as in ‘milk’."
Posted by language hat on May 5, 2005 6:31 PMhttp://unkemptwomen.blogspot.com/ , another blog (not about language per se, but by an English expat living in Portugal) addressed your concern in yesterday's post (4 May 05). As soon as you mentioned the word "people" I thought of the blog I just read yesterday!
Good luck with the election and many the BEST candidate win. :-)
Janet in the U.S.
Posted by Janet on May 5, 2005 7:01 PMI just spent 4 months in Wales, touring the country, and not one Welsh person had a problem saying 'people' like that man Howard.
"We're hardly spoilt for choice", you say? Eenie meenie miney mo would not have done for me, with a National Front candidate on the ballot paper.
Posted by Sarah on May 6, 2005 10:21 AMVery interesting what Language Hat said about Welsh, but also agree that one doesn't constantly notice this so much, even with those who speak Welsh as their first language. One quirk too far on top of all MH's other unfortunate quirks!
Posted by Jean on May 6, 2005 2:29 PMAh, I've just seen that he's quit, so I guess we'll be hearing less of his l's.
Posted by Jean on May 6, 2005 2:32 PM"It's a Welsh thing" - language hat
Phonetically this may be true but acoustically it certainly isn't. I have lived in Wales for 13 years and have never heard anyone talk (in English or Welsh) with an /l/ like Michael Howard.
I listened to Howard when he did Question Time last week. His accent seems to be pretty much RP, with the exception of his final /-l/, which also has a knock-on effect on the surrounding vowels. It's quite similar to the way many Germans pronounce -l.
Neij
Posted by Neij on May 6, 2005 5:06 PMYes, I'm definitely thinking what you're thinking. In fact, I fear that it may be indicative of an alien plot to take over the UK government (see URL below).
Fortunately, we seemed to have escaped that eventuality for a few more years, although it's interesting to note that MH seems to have improved his pronunciation of 'peepil' lately - maybe he's had some vocal coaching after seeing what Rory Bremner made of it? :-)
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